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A Huge Victory! Gay marriage bill suffers a decisive defeat in N.Y. State Senate
The Washington Post reports:
NEW YORK -- Opponents of gay marriage celebrated a decisive vote in the New York State Senate, where a proposal to legalize same-sex marriage was defeated 38 to 24 on Wednesday.
The unexpectedly wide margin was delivered in a relatively liberal state where the other chamber of the legislature has thrice approved the measure and the governor, David A. Paterson, had been poised to sign it into law. The vote prompted pronouncements that the momentum for gay marriage had been not only halted, but also effectively reversed. Same-sex marriage is legal in Iowa, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut and, most recently, New Hampshire, where it goes into effect Jan. 1.
"I think you put it all together and it most likely spells the end of the idea that you can pass gay marriage democratically anywhere else in the United States," said Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage, which spearheaded opposition in Albany. "I think the gay marriage lobby will have to go back to a court-based approach.
"We did believe they were short at least five votes, but we did not expect to win by 14 votes."
Opponents said New York lawmakers heeded the outcome of a Nov. 3 ballot measure in Maine, where voters repealed a gay marriage law before it went into effect.
"And there was what we like to call 'the Dede effect,' '' Gallagher said.
The phrase is a reference to Dede Scozzafava, the Republican candidate who dropped out of a special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District in the face of a strong challenge from Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. The National Organization for Marriage said its poll indicated that half of Hoffman's supporters gravitated toward him because of Scozzafava's support for gay marriage.
The seat was won by a Democrat who supports civil unions, but not marriage, for same-sex couples.
"I think Upstate Democrats had to be feeling the heat on this deal," said Jason McGuire, executive director of New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms, a lobby that represents many evangelical and Pentecostal churches. "New York 23 really showed that conservatism is not dead."
Supporters of same-sex marriage were taken aback by the margin but insisted that calling for the vote clarified the realpolitik behind the roll call.
"We had long called for a public debate on this matter so we could determine who was truly on our side," said the Empire State Pride Agenda in a statement. "If you cannot support us, we will find candidates for public office who do."
The National Organization for Marriage, which is based in New Jersey but has offices in Virginia, was even more explicit, warning ahead of the vote that it would raise $500,000 to defeat any Republican senator who broke ranks on the issue. The heading on the group's news release read: "Vote for Gay Marriage and We Will Fund a Primary Challenge."
Gallagher said the group spent $600,000 opposing the effort, mostly on robo-calls in districts of senators thought to be on the fence.
She said, "This helps us in New Hampshire," where a coalition that includes Catholic bishops will attempt to reverse the same-sex marriage law as that state's legislative election season opens.
"We might even make it in Vermont," Gallagher added.
NEW YORK -- Opponents of gay marriage celebrated a decisive vote in the New York State Senate, where a proposal to legalize same-sex marriage was defeated 38 to 24 on Wednesday.
The unexpectedly wide margin was delivered in a relatively liberal state where the other chamber of the legislature has thrice approved the measure and the governor, David A. Paterson, had been poised to sign it into law. The vote prompted pronouncements that the momentum for gay marriage had been not only halted, but also effectively reversed. Same-sex marriage is legal in Iowa, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut and, most recently, New Hampshire, where it goes into effect Jan. 1.
"I think you put it all together and it most likely spells the end of the idea that you can pass gay marriage democratically anywhere else in the United States," said Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage, which spearheaded opposition in Albany. "I think the gay marriage lobby will have to go back to a court-based approach.
"We did believe they were short at least five votes, but we did not expect to win by 14 votes."
Opponents said New York lawmakers heeded the outcome of a Nov. 3 ballot measure in Maine, where voters repealed a gay marriage law before it went into effect.
"And there was what we like to call 'the Dede effect,' '' Gallagher said.
The phrase is a reference to Dede Scozzafava, the Republican candidate who dropped out of a special election in New York's 23rd Congressional District in the face of a strong challenge from Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman. The National Organization for Marriage said its poll indicated that half of Hoffman's supporters gravitated toward him because of Scozzafava's support for gay marriage.
The seat was won by a Democrat who supports civil unions, but not marriage, for same-sex couples.
"I think Upstate Democrats had to be feeling the heat on this deal," said Jason McGuire, executive director of New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms, a lobby that represents many evangelical and Pentecostal churches. "New York 23 really showed that conservatism is not dead."
Supporters of same-sex marriage were taken aback by the margin but insisted that calling for the vote clarified the realpolitik behind the roll call.
"We had long called for a public debate on this matter so we could determine who was truly on our side," said the Empire State Pride Agenda in a statement. "If you cannot support us, we will find candidates for public office who do."
The National Organization for Marriage, which is based in New Jersey but has offices in Virginia, was even more explicit, warning ahead of the vote that it would raise $500,000 to defeat any Republican senator who broke ranks on the issue. The heading on the group's news release read: "Vote for Gay Marriage and We Will Fund a Primary Challenge."
Gallagher said the group spent $600,000 opposing the effort, mostly on robo-calls in districts of senators thought to be on the fence.
She said, "This helps us in New Hampshire," where a coalition that includes Catholic bishops will attempt to reverse the same-sex marriage law as that state's legislative election season opens.
"We might even make it in Vermont," Gallagher added.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Zomok on -
A good posting. We must affirm that true sposal marriage is the outworking of the male and female principles, parts, and pairings in nature.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Zomok on
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I should have added "calling me names or saying I am judgmental is worthless" because it is mostly what the loser does in a debate. They can't win so they start to call people names and claim they are judgmental.... What I state above is common sense evaluation. AND one can argue against so-called gay marriage without even bringing the Bible into the issue!!!! It is also not the American way to force a materialist view onto Americans.
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Permalink Reply by Catherine Elizabeth Garrett on -
DOESN'T JESUS TELL US TO ACCEPT EVERYONE FOR WHO.THEY.ARE.? A persons sexuality should make no differnce. Love comes in differnt shapes, sizes & colors, Love is love. period. Gays,lesbians and bisexuals still should have the right to marry,and/or be a christian.
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Permalink Reply by Catherine Elizabeth Garrett on
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And who are you to judge? Homosexuality may be a sin, but you have no right to treat people like this. IT'S THEIR OWN CHOICE. How dare you! Shame on you.
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Permalink Reply by Sonya Marie on -
Then how do you call yourself a christian but accept sins of this world? you are right we are not to judge, but we are able to set a good example God created man and woman to be "fruitful and multiply" so what example are you setting if you accept this behavor? the symbol of marriage is a bride and groom to God, do you not read your bible? how do you accept a groom and groom or bride and bride when that is not Gods plan...not shame on us, shame on you.
- just my strong opinion...love the profile picture, it says alot!
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Permalink Reply by Catherine Elizabeth Garrett on
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How dare you question my view of the world. I do in fact read my bible, and Yes I call myself a christian, and I am not going to hate or dislike a specific group of people just for the sake of it. Just because you are against something doesn't mean you can't tolerate it.
Just my strong opinion.
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Permalink Reply by Jason on -
Hate is a very strong word. We should try to help those who are struggling with homosexuality but we should not accept it. Marriage is clearly meant to be between a man and a woman. The bible re-affirms this. If we allow homosexuals to marry should we also allow men to have multiple wives or women to have multiple husbands?
Shame on you, Catherine. Sonya has every right to question your overly-strong opinion. You come off as being the one who sounds hateful here.
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Permalink Reply by Sonya Marie on
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and thank you Jason. i absolutely agree with you!
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Permalink Reply by Chris on -
Deuteronomy clearly gives you instructions how to handle multiple wives, including ones you do not love.
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Permalink Reply by Catherine Elizabeth Garrett on
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"struggling with homosexuality?" Its their own choice.
In some parts of the world polygamy is still allowed, so that is not a valid point. Yes, I know sonya has every right to question my opinion, and I have a right to question yours.
No, I am not being hatefull, I just stand up for what I believe in. She did however question how I can call myself a christian, and That made me just the slightest bit mad.
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Permalink Reply by Sonya Marie on
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well catherine if you could read youd know i did not say i hate or dislike anyone, and that i do not. i am saying for you to sit here and say they should be married is shocking comming from a christian. You say you read your bible? then why do you agree to such things? i do not judge but if a homosexual is stating they are one then i have a right to disagree and so should you, as christians we are suppose to go out and preach the word not except worldly behavor.
your strong opinion does not add up to God's word so you might as well just quit this talking none sense. you seem to be the one judging you are the one saying we hate or dislike a group for the sake of it. very judgemental, how dare YOU?
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Permalink Reply by Chris on
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Once again forcing biblical law on a country that is supposed to be completely separate from the church.
Not very American.
I think you guys have a stronger and more emotional argument with abortion. I mean, what can you say about 2 homosexuals that love each other other than "god doesn't like this".
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