Homosexuality, what is God's view?

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Permalink Reply by Royal Swann on February 16, 2012 at 5:50am

@ John,

This I know better then the majority. Yes, Gentiles can be grafted into the Olive Tree but what you Gentiles fail to recognize is that the source (root) of the Olive Tree is Jesus Christ and the branches on the Olive Tree are the Jews.

Gentiles(Christians) have bypassed being grafted into the olive tree by not coming through the branches that are still on the olive tree.

I asked have anybody ever read Romans 1:16 if you see the very last part of that scripture, that is how the Gentiles bypassed the branches  that are still on the tree.

The branches that are still on the tree are the ones who trusted in Jesus Christ and who he said he was at that time in age.

The ones who can be grafted back into the tree will be the ones who turn to the Lord during this age,

I have no anger,against Christians as I am one but my salvation comes through the Jews as all Christians should.   In Romans 1;16 there are two Gods, and if your Jewish friend is truly a descendant of the 12 tribes of Israel then he or she would know that the God of the Jews is the one and only true living God. He is one indivisible God. Where in the god in the last part of that scripture is a God with three individual personalities called the Trinity which is the God of the Church starting with the Catholic Church and filtering down to the different denominations.

Now to clarify what I say about the Trinity go find the Council of Nicea in 325 when the Bishops of the Churches were called to the council by Emperor Constantinople 1 to decide the divinity of Jesus Christ to God the Father and also decide the day of Easter in worship of the pagan goddess Oestre.

For 300 years the followers of Jesus knew who Jesus is and then the very descendant of the people who killed Jesus Christ has a council to decide on who he was to God.

As the Roman Emperors considered their selves god and Constantinople worshiped the Sun God--  Sol Victus you go figure which one of the two is their Jesus that you worship.

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Permalink Reply by Royal Swann on February 18, 2012 at 12:44am

Theology has nothing to do with that verse of scripture.

Romans 1:16 clearly states the following.
(Rom 1:16 [NLT])
For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile.

(Rom 1:16 [KJV])
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


This verse clearly states that there are two different Gods;

The God that made the covenant with the Jews is the one indivisible God.

The God of the Gentiles or the Greek, depends on which bible you use is the God with three distint personalities called the Trinty.

Romans 1:16 in the bibles the Christians read does not say anything about equally to the Gentiles.

So I don't know where you got that from as it isn't there in Romans 1:16.

But I will show you the same scripture from the bible of the Jews as they are the only nation of people that God made a covenant with and they are also the only ones that God gave any Laws to. As a matter of fact they were called the Law of Moses.

Same scripture but from the Complete Jewish Bible: Note below that this scripture says but equally to the Gentiles. So something is wrong somewhere as Romans 116 clearly states to the Jew in each one first.

Rom 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the Good News, since it is God's powerful means of bringing salvation to everyone who keeps on trusting, to the Jew especially, but equally to the Gentile.


Also in Romans 1:16 in each of the Greek or Gentiles scripture it clearly states that one must believe in something to be saved.

In the Jewish Bible the scriptures says they must keep on trusting.

What must a Gentile believe in to be saved or keep on trusting in (Paul was writing to the Jews in Rome, that is why he said keep on trusting)

So you see Gentiles aren't grafted into the olive tree just for nothing.

Now read Romans 1:17.
(Rom 1:17 [KJV])
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

(Rom 1:17 [NLT])
This Good News tells us how God makes us right in his sight. This is accomplished from start to finish by faith. As the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”


There is a great difference in believing to be saved and living by faith.

First for a person to be saved they must know what to believe in and then once they have put their belief in it, the must live their life by faith.

Now again the same verse but from the Jewish Bible.
Rom 1:17  For in it is revealed how God makes people righteous in his sight; and from beginning to end it is through trust — as the Old Testament puts it,

Isn't it odd that the bibles that have and also the Gentile and also to the Greek, both say basically the same thing. One says "The just shall live by faith" and the other says “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”

The odd thing is that The jewish Bible doesn't say the same thing so where is the equlity at as the Jews are first and the only nation of people whom God made a covenant with.

Same part of the scripture but with a different meaning.
"But the person who is righteous will live his life by trust."

So it is not theological for me it is finding out the truth in the scriptures.

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John as you said this below.

"This scripture nor any scripture reveals that we have been cut off,nor missed an opportunity to be grafted into the vine. What your presenting in Jewish heresy that suggest that we have impending doom. Being Jewish does not make you an all exclusive member of the salvation club."

(First you have to be grafted into the olive tree and the only way to be grafted in is to believe in something and for use today it is found in the scriptures. When God was here on eart as a human being the Jews had to put their faith in something in order to be saved. Maybe you didn't know that is why he came to earth as a human being so that he could save his people who where the people of Israel whom we today call the Jews.

Not all the Jews rejected Jesus Christ only those who didn't believe that he was whom he said he was and that was the Son of God

Wasn't Peter and the other eleven disciple Jews and all the other people who followed Jesus Christ, Jews also. By the way the Jews did not kill Jesus Christ it was the Romans and guess who the Greeks and gentiles are In Romans 1:16. The Catholic Church of which the Romans started as they were the conquering nation at that time in history.

I shouldn't go any further as I have realized that you do not read the word of God. By the way no human being on this earth is saved.

Any human being that puts their trust in a certain part of scripture that is given is being saved. Salvation doesn't come until Jesus returns and takes all those who have put their trust in him to heaven. Those who are asleep (dead) first and then those who are alive.


I don't want to get to for off topic but the jest of the Homosexuality thing is very simple. God gave his laws to only one nation of people and as you can see from Romans 1:16 is clearly states the Jew first. But in your Bibles he never made a covenant with the Greek or Gentile seperately from the Jew, so the Greek or Gentiles have no law and do not obey God.

This is from the Jewish Bible and God explicitly says Homosexuals will not share in the Kingdom of God.

1Co 6:9  Don't you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't delude yourselves — people who engage in sex before marriage, who worship idols, who engage in sex after marriage with someone other than their spouse, who engage in active or passive homosexuality,
1Co 6:10  who steal, who are greedy, who get drunk, who assail people with contemptuous language, who rob — none of them will share in the Kingdom of God.

So this means that someone here on earth and they are a believer as you all say must be obedient to God to share in the Kingdom of God. Isn't that the purpose of people attending the Churches to learn about God and how he wants them to live their lives here on earth.

So why should any Christians be discussing something that God said would prevent them from sharing in his kingdom. This is something that the Pastors should have taught every member in their congregations.

Maybe I am missing something here. Aren't Christians supposed to obey the Laws of God and not decide for theiselves what his word really means. As Jesus Christ set the example he was obedient to the Father and his disciples were obedient to him but now today there is no obedience.

This is not theology. As you can see exactly what the word of God says.

As for Jewish heresy that is one of the first things that a person does who doesn't know the word.

You see this little part of scripture: Matthew 20:16 because Jesus was speaking to us as Gentiles as this was before his death. We as Gentiles didn't Know him until after his death. Go read Acts 9 where the Lord Chose Saul as his vessel not Peter to carry his name to the Gentiles, the Kings and the children of Israel.

You can not use the scripture before his death for us as Gentiles.

You threw that scripture in there.

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As for this.

They had been called first by God, but the Gentiles who heard the call should soon enjoy special privileges. They would even be first in the kingdom, because of their greater readiness to receive the gospel.

The only ones Jesus (God) called were his disciples who became Apostles after his death and the last Apostle was Saul (Paul) and it is so odd that they all were Jews. Now isn't that odd because I can show you through the scriptures who he called.

Can you refute it through the scriptures.

You see I am not a believer. I am one who has put their trust in the Lord so by putting my trust in the Lord I am being saved.

I am going to ask you a question what do you believe in for your salvation. If a person can say I speak heresy then he must prove that what I say is wrong and that has to be through the word of God which we call the scriptures.

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Permalink Reply by Jennifer Aguilar on July 3, 2009 at 2:08pm

Exactly! I believe many churches today are too soft on the subject of homosexuality. It is ok and right and just to say that homosexuality is wrong in Gods eyes. The most loving thing to do for a homosexual would be to tell them they are wrong and headed to hell unless they change their ways.
I have a brother who is a homosexual....still hard to say it. When my dad found out that he was going to hotels and meeting with his "friend", he kicked him out of the house. It is tough cut ties with my stepbrother, however, I support my father's decision.

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Permalink Reply by Noah Teak Howell on December 17, 2009 at 1:17pm

and so another haolocaust will someday begin.

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Permalink Reply by Deidra Mitchell on March 2, 2010 at 1:11pm

I agree we have too many sugar coding preaching today.

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Permalink Reply by Carol on March 11, 2008 at 7:34am

Thank you for stepping out boldly and giving us this perspective. Praise GOD for your healing and sharing.

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Permalink Reply by sylvia on March 14, 2008 at 6:51am

thank you for coming out the church needs to know how to work with this issue that is affecti;ng many of are young people it takes courage and the strength of God to speak the truth, I will keep you in prayer for I believe that you were called for such a time as this. God Bless

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Permalink Reply by sylvia on March 18, 2008 at 6:44am

I Believe that Damian came out of the homosexual lifestyle and was bold enough to tell the church so that the chruch would rejoice with him of the Great thing God had done in his life a restroration of his soul, he has peace, a cleansing in the blood and hope for others I thank God for your boldness and are a reflection of the power of the blood of Jesus their is nothing he cannot restore.

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Permalink Reply by sylvia on March 18, 2008 at 6:31am

thank you for such knwoledge you have been a blessing, Love covers a mulitude of sins.

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Permalink Reply by Andrew Ross on March 18, 2008 at 1:36am

Ok, I just NOW saw this discussion for some reason! Having a past of a homosexual lifestyle with its many addictions, I can confidently say that it is NOT of God. First off, we were created in God's image and likeness and how He arranged it first, we should follow in suit. Man with woman. It's that simple. Next, I see it as nothing but a spirit of compromise to believe that you can think that God is ok with homosexuality. God is not going to contradict His Word because His Word is God. How would that work??! God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their hearts turned toward homosexuality. What makes it acceptable now if it was not acceptable then? Last time I read my Bible, it said that God is the SAME yesterday, today and forever; meaning during the old testament, through the new testatment and even into this very second. There are so many luke warm Christians not willing to stand up for the right thing. If you believe that telling someone that homosexuality is justified by "everyone sins", then you are willing to risk having that person's blood on your hands on judgement day. What good is the gospel if no one shares it? If you have a vaccination for a deadly disease in your hand, in the midst of people who are infected, will you not begin to use the medicine to cure the disease? What a selfish and compromised heart people have to not open the eyes of the ignorant! During those 10 years of homosexual addiction, I woke up every day knowing that I was not in God's will for my life. For years, I would try to justify my actions. I would verbally make excuses and then know that God was hurt over my decision. I had family that was crushed when they found out about my homosexual lifestyle, but they never stopped loving me or praying for me. There was so much behind the scenes warefare going on in my house. I have many friends who think that homosexuals are so much fun. Fellowship with the world is STILL fellowship with the world! It doesn't matter where you heart is, If you never say anything about Christ to them, you are just condoning their lifestyle. There's not different layers of sin. All sin is equal and the Bible says that friendship with the world is enmity with God. Read it for what it means. Dont try to "interpret" it to fit your situation. There's no loop holes with God. You can believe it all or belive it in pieces and find out on judgement day if you were right. That's all I have to say about this right now. I might come back later...

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Permalink Reply by Carol on March 18, 2008 at 6:22am

Thank you for sharing your perspective. You had Christian teachings and a praying family and friends, Praise God, but how can we as Christians begin to help? I don't see a "homosexual", I see pain and emptyness, hurt and rejection. One of my sons was waiting outside a gay bar for a cab when a group with baseball bats drove up and beat him up badly. He was hospitalized for several days, but the beating left him with a brain injury that cause daily seizures. He never reported the beating to the police. After 6 months of seizures anytime, anywhere, he stepped into the path of a train. The incident was ruled an accident, but I know better. He was so very depressed over not being able to work. I never stopped loving my son, I did not reject him when he told me he was bisexual. I reached out to someone who is gay and was told to "piss off". So for my part, I will pray for all of these lost children.

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Permalink Reply by Andrew Ross on March 18, 2008 at 11:22am

I see what you mean. As Christians, we can never stop loving those who need Christ in their lives. The first way to love someone is to open their eyes to the truth. If you (not you personally) truely love someone, you will do whatever it takes to get them to the truth. God will give us methods of outreach for each person differently. For my homosexual cousin, I take initiative to keep in touch and remind him that he is loved. I don't cram the gospel and the law down his throat because he would shut me down. The Holy Spirit will direct us and give us strategy for each person that we come in contact with if we just listen to His voice. That's how Christians can begin to help: by listening to the Holy Spirit and waiting for His direction. We plant the seeds through love and in faith and God will send someone to water and to harvest. The church needs to take that first step and begin to love on the hurting instead of rejecting them. Carol, I really appreciate you sharing your story with me. Thank you!

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